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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:10 am 
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Previously on Firefox, and now on Pale Moon, I always noted the exorbitant memory usage of this browser.
By accident I stumbled upon this website: http://www.rizonesoft.com/software/firemin/
They have made a program Firemin that now limits this memory-gobbling to only a few MB!

Before: (these are my personal figures from 01/09/2015)
Time - Memory used (as per Task Mgr)
06:01 392,644 K
08:26 544,388 K
10:14 928,936 K
11:18 1,025,436 K
13:47 1,017,584 K

After:
regardless of time, it fluctuates between 1,500 K and 22,000 K, mostly around 8,400 K

The program Firemin (Build 2086) can be used on FireFox itself.
The Beta Version (Build 3977) can be used on the FireFox derivatives Pale Moon, CyberFox, WaterFox and IceDragon.

I have tested some Beta-versions (using Pale Moon) and the current Build 3977 is almost perfect, well worth running!
In the 3977 download, only the profile palemoon.ini has duplicate entries, just delete the second half and you'll be grand!
It took me a while to realize that the program's icon on the Task Bar (on mine at least) was a hidden icon.

EDIT: not mentioned anywhere, but you need to change firemin.ini Profile and Path to show YOUR browser location before you start the program.
Mine changed from firefox settings to:
Profile=palemoon.ini
Path=F:\Program Files\Pale Moon\palemoon.exe

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:57 pm 
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Had been running Pale Moon for several months until they dropped support for XP; I then switched back to Firefox (now at 34. something). I run two A31p with 2GB memory and WinXP SP3. Memory usage by Pale Moon wasn't as bad as Firefox but then again, it was still a memory hog. My use of a web brower is to have open at least 4 or 5 tabs continuously. As I browse the forum and eBay, that number will rise and often hit 20 tabs. I've seen memory usage as high as 1.6GB. When that happens I usually shut down Firefox and re-start it but after a few days it's back up again (I leave my home system on 24/7 but the work A31p gets hibernated each night).

Downloaded Firemin and set it to 1000, the setting the provides the lowest processing power but allows more memory to be used. A good compromise given I'm running such an obsolete processor. Even so, Firefox memory usage dropped from 800+MB to about 100MB. Will monitor the usage over the next few days and report back.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:28 pm 
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rkawakami wrote:
Had been running Pale Moon for several months until they dropped support for XP;

My understanding is they still support XP in the "Atom" version.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:35 pm 
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Nice find, I will definately test this out sometime soon! :)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:59 pm 
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jdrou wrote:
rkawakami wrote:
Had been running Pale Moon for several months until they dropped support for XP;

My understanding is they still support XP in the "Atom" version.
At this point you don't even have to do that. There is still a Pale Moon for Windows XP build.

As far as browser memory usage goes - if you have enough RAM, I don't see it as a problem "per se". It would be interesting to investigate the tradeoffs between normal mode, and aggressive memory release modes (like what Firemin does). For example - do frequent calls to memory free API make the application slower when you come back to a tab which was unused for a while? It might be the case, but without testing, I have no idea.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:28 pm 
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After a few days of Firemin, my PaleMoon memory usage is staying WAY low! :D
I started my PC this morning about 3:15 am, and now, 13 hours later and with average 6 tabs, memory usage is still only around 1,500-1,800 K. Perfect!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:45 pm 
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Yes! I can use Firefox on my T43 again! :banana:

I've been using Firemin on my Windows 7 desktop (at work) for the past few hours now, and memory use went from around 240MB down to less than 10. Only extended testing will prove whether Firefox is affected in any way by this or not, but it seems stable.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:53 pm 
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dr_st wrote:
At this point you don't even have to do that. There is still a Pale Moon for Windows XP build.

Right now yes but according to the Pale Moon dev, "Please do note that these versions will be discontinued when the last retail NT 5.x product goes EoL in July 2015." I assume that means after that point the source will no longer build for XP (otherwise he couldn't really speak for 3rd-party builds).
There is no such disclaimer for the Atom build.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:06 pm 
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Had a problem with the work A31p (1.8Ghz, 2GB RAM, WinXP SP3) being slow this morning. Firefox took a very long time to get keyboard/mouse focus (Firemin was running). Figured it was due to the fact that I've been hibernating the system for several weeks without a full re-boot so I shut it down and re-started. Prior to this, Page File usage was hovering around 1.6GB; it's now at 810MB. 5 applications running and 61 processes. Firefox is taking 15MB to 60MB (6 open tabs) with Firemin set at 1000. Firefox CPU load varying around 75%. System Idle Process, AVG and Firemin accounting for most of the remaining 25%. System is definitely more responsive than earlier so I'll start taking notes on the performance starting with this clean slate. I'll re-boot the home A31p tonight.

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