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#121 Post by Bob34 » Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:14 pm

I'm a total n00b to NHC, but any opinions of this versus ThinkVantage's Power Manager?

Is there any glaring shortcomings? I want to get rid of Power Manager, it seems like such a hog, and NHC Pro seems like a nice replacement.
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#122 Post by Tim M » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:26 pm

Johan wrote: Well, what I just came to think of is this: Would you like me to zip and mail all my NHC-stuff from my T42p 2373-Q1U (the program and all settings, XML and CSS files etc); I mean you could then simply temporarily rename your present NHC-directory, and try see if mine works better on your ThinkPad? If you want this, please let me have an e-mail address (you may send it via a PM). The whole NHC (zipped) incl. exe's is about 7 MB - that's not too bad for mailing, I think.
Well, I've finally had time to sit down and systematically play with NHC to see if I could address my GPU heating problems. Work has been busy the last few weeks, and I have been mildly distracted by this tall blonde Dutch student who will be working in our lab for the next half-year. :)

I first tried switching the IBM.css, IBM.xml, and IBM.dll files in the "ACPI" folder of my NHC directory with those of Johan, testing all combinations of my versions with his. I observed no difference in reported fan speeds (always maxing out at ~2900 rpm). GPU temperatures were assessed briefly with no improvement noted.

I then decided to switch my settings.xml file in NHC's main directory with that of Johan. I immediately noticed the GPU not heating as rapidly when subjected to the Video Card Stability Test program, so I investigated further. The only differences between the two files were more conservative CPU undervolting in Johan's version along with the "Enable Custom Dynamic Switching" option being checked under the CPU speed tab. I modified these settings to contain the more aggressive undervolting that I use but left the "Enable Custom Dynamic Switching" option checked.

With these settings, the situation seems improved, as Video Card Stability Test has not yet pushed temperatures over 100 C, which had been very easy to do before. The temperatures are slowly creeping into the upper 90s after ~15 minutes as I write this, so perhaps only the time constant for the rise has been increased. Interestingly, the reported fan speed isn't much different, maxing out at ~2990 rpm.

So, in short, I'm not sure what's going on, but Johan's settings.xml file seems to have improved the situation. Perhaps my old settings.xml file got corrupted somehow.

I would still like to see GPU undervolting added to a future release of NHC as I think it would be a useful feature.

EDIT
I'm clearly daft; perhaps that Dutch student is getting to me. :shock: The reason the temps were lower was because Johan's settings had ATI Clock Control enabled with a setting of 175 MHz core / 157 MHz memory. If I disabled the clock control so that the default 320/210 was available (but left PowerPlay enabled), Video Card Stability Test would heat the GPU until I got warning beeps from the machine. :cry: A minor underclock to 300/200 slightly improves the problem, but the warning beeps are not something I was getting before (though I also hadn't torture tested the GPU to this extent before). So, there is no improvement using different NHC scripts; the issue is with heat dissipation, perhaps from my removing and replacing the GPU's heat spreader during a CPU upgrade and AS-5 application process (there was no other way to get the fan off). Again, an easy way to undervolt the GPU (i.e. without having to write to the video card's BIOS) would be a big help.

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#123 Post by skanky » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:09 am

just came across this link: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946932

is anyone able to figure out a way so that NHC will start on login as a service without the UAC prompt popping up? i dont want to disable UAC totally as i have vista set to automatically elevate prompts

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#124 Post by Radioguy » Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:35 pm

skanky wrote:just came across this link: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946932

is anyone able to figure out a way so that NHC will start on login as a service without the UAC prompt popping up? i dont want to disable UAC totally as i have vista set to automatically elevate prompts
That's in the pro version ($) only. (I think)

Has anyone installed and configured NHC for a T61 on Vista 32-bit? If so, can you give me a step by step? I had previously installed it and I think everything was greyed out because I didn't have the right ACPI file (?) for a T61.

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#125 Post by Johan » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:33 pm

I just wanted to share what I first discovered tonight (and what I obviously find very interesting); there seems to be a new, updated version of "Notebook Hardware Control" coming up... more or less shortly, according to the thread NHC Entwicklungsstand Dezember 2008 [Ger/Eng].

Also, notice the misc. NHC sub-forums at Notebook Hardware Control with a large library of ACPI-files ACPI Modules (German language) and ACPI Modules (English language) etc. etc. - a very useful resource!

PS: I found this site while trying to find out if NHC will run on a HP EliteBook 8730w having a Core 2 Duo P8600 CPU. If anybody would happen to know this, feel free to post a reply here! This CPU has "Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology" but according to MobileMeter it constantly runs at full speed (2.4 GHz), and to my great surprise I can't find any neither Windows XP Pro tools nor any HP Power Management tools which will allow me to command the CPU into "adaptive mode", so that it will reduce clock-speed while idling. I talked to HP support who don't have a clue about this... it appeared that they didn't know anything about SpeedStep?! Spooky - so now I therefore try to find out if NHC will work OK on a P8600. I guess that SpeedSwtichXP may "probably" work (since I'm using Win XP Pro SP2 on this HP8730w), but NHC has far more flexibility (and many more features!), so I'd certainly prefer NHC, if it does support the P8600 CPU in the HP8730w.

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#126 Post by basketb » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:58 pm

Maybe it's something in the bios that you can change in your HP? (don't Thinkpads also have a BIOS option for this - it's been awhile since I last looked into the bios of my Thinkpad(s).)

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#127 Post by Paul Unger » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:28 pm

Johan wrote:PS: I found this site while trying to find out if NHC will run on a HP EliteBook 8730w having a Core 2 Duo P8600 CPU.

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#128 Post by mpcook » Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:22 pm

Does anyone know how to get data logging to work with NHC? I have tried this on most the TP's post X30 in my sig, it works on none of them. When I bought the Pro version, I emailed the developer, and he replied saying it was a known issue that it did not work on a few machines, but he was surprised it did not work on so many different Thinkpads.

Meanwhile, it would be a very handy thing to have working, and if anyone has figured this out, let us know!

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#129 Post by Johan » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:00 pm

Works with no problems for me - using the free version of NHC (2.0 pre-release 6) on a T42p under Win XP Pro SP2. Just open the main NHC panel, choose the "Status" tab, click the lower, rightmost icon (the one looking like a pair of toothwheels), which will open the "monitoring options" window; there check the lowermost option "Enable data logging on the Hard Disk", click the icon right of the text, select a place to store the logfiles (I am not sure that this works; I selected Desktop, but the log files ended up in the following directory: C:\Program Files\Notebook Hardware Control\log), close the "monitoring options" window, and click the green Start Monitoring (arrow)... that's it! After a while, stop and disable the logging, and you'll e.g. find the following Excel-files created:

15-03-2009_cpu_clock.csv
15-03-2009_cpu_temperature.csv

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#130 Post by mpcook » Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:22 pm

Thanks Johan, that is exactly what I have done a number of times, but no log file. :?

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#131 Post by zhenya » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:35 am

What is the current status of NHC under Vista 32? I'm currently having a problem where NHC can't seem to adjust the CPU speed - if I try to change the Power settings from the system tray I get an 'Error Changing CPU Speed' error. I seem to be able to change it from Battery Optimized to Balanced to Performance within the program, (and the CPU speed changes) but the cpu speed doesn't vary based on load. I have not made any changes in the BIOS on this machine, and NHC worked perfectly in XP.

Edit: Reading through the forums linked above I was able to answer my own question I think. Looks like this is a problem of Vista SP1 and that a new version that is fully Vista compatible is in the works.

This leads me to another question - are there any other programs out there that combine Fan control and the ability to undervolt as NHC does, and are Vista compatible? I'm using TPFan control now in lieu of NHC to control the fans, but without the undervolting, my cpu temp is pretty high.

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#132 Post by Johan » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:18 pm

@ zhenya:

I don't know of any other programs that combine fan control and undervolting the CPU than NHC. If you are however willing to use the ThinkPad fan-control program (originally developed by forum-member Shimodax's and subsequently in particular maintained by troubadix) with NHC, then you might want to get the most recent version of NHC, which was released just a couple of weeks ago (March 2, 2009); see --> Notebook Hardware Control - Beta Version 2.0.7.3 - Only for Windows Vista 32 Bit. Note NHC-developer manni's words in the thread NHC Entwicklungsstand Februar 2009.

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#133 Post by zhenya » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:08 pm

Thank you for the information Johan. I am trying out the beta version paired with TPFan Control. Hopefully this will work out ok. Thanks for the link to the beta.

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#134 Post by Johan » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:48 pm

You're welcome! By the way, an alternative to NHC (if only wanting to undervolt the CPU) is the RightMark CPU Clock Utility it works under Vista. You can then supplement with e.g. ATItool (if having an ATI GPU) to downclock the GPU. I know that NVIDIA has similar tools, but whether this/these will support laptop GPU's, that I dont know (Google yoursef!). See e.g. NVIDIA System Utility or NVIDIA PowerMizer - the latter seems useful on laptops.

PS: Please let us hear about your experience with the new NHC-Beta... thanks! :-)

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#135 Post by Xenomorph » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:25 am

I just bought this program, and I quickly regretted it.
I wanted the "Pro" version because it says it runs as a Service (no UAC prompt, loads on system startup, etc).

Well, I paid my $20, got a key, and was promptly disappointed.

There is a "nhcservice.exe" loaded on Startup. However, that service does NOT apply the settings of the main program.

I thought to myself "well, I guess I still have to run the main program" - maybe the Service gets rid of the UAC prompt, since part of the program is already loaded by the system.

Nope, loading the main NHC program still prompts for UAC. That means non-admins can't use it, and it still can't be ran on Startup.

Does this program only work right on the ancient XP or something?

Anyway, after paying for the program, I quickly found a better tool that worked as expected (and works great as a Service), and was even free. I purchased NHC for better control over my hard drive's power settings. A program called "quietHDD" does the same thing just fine.
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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#136 Post by Johan » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:12 am

You don't say what version of NHC you use, but from your question in the thread NHC service does nothing, non-admins can't run I understand that it is the latest Beta. Also, I understand that you run under Vista.

What to do? Since you have already raised your concerns in the NHC-forum (and has even received an answer from the developer of NHC), I trust you are in the best hands. Shareware programs are typically developed by professional programmes in their (limited/valuable) sparetime, and some improvement is always seen through the Alpha/Beta-phases. If I were you, I would indicate my interest in the program to the developer (like what you have already done) in the most respectful, polite fashion, and through this approach sort of "motivate" the developer in the most friendly way to improve things. I am absolutely confident that this way will work best - and is also most pleasant for both of you.

It would be useful if you would share with us what specific HDD you are experiencing "clicking noise" from? If being a Western Digital HDD (which is known to exhibit this behaviour soetimes), I would like to point your attention to the thread Western Digital Scorpio 2.5" 5400 Hard Drives..Any Opin and more specificly this post and the links pointed to therein. The WD "stop clicking" tool was available for download a while ago from their site, but i can't locate it on the fly right now (I already have a copy of it - filename was wdupd020.zip meaning "WDUPD020 Version 1.04", so try Google for "wdupd020.zip")

By the way, if I were you, I would entirely skip Vista, and run XP. Best of luck with getting the best out of your $20 investment.

Thank you for your pointer to the QuietHDD program. Notice however that it cannot be compared to NHC. By the way, a somewhat similar program (to QuietHDD) is the WinAAM.

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#137 Post by Xenomorph » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:43 am

The hard drive is a 120 Gig Fujitsu. One of the few on the T43's compatibility list.

I've actually gone on quite a ride...

- The clicking (which a LOT of drives suffer from).
- Googling the clicking.
- Finding out the clicking is a head parking thing.
- Using HDPARM to mess with power savings (which stops the clicking)
- Finding out the drive resets itself on reboot or after resume.
- Finding out NHC keeps the power settings disabled all the time
- Paying for NHC
- Finding out the pay version doesn't work under Vista/Win7
- Finding out quietHDD works better than NHC, AND can install as a service under Vista/Win7
- Happily using quietHDD as a Service, contacting quietHDD's author and telling him how to install it as a service using Microsoft's Resource Kit tools (the srvany.exe app)
- Exchanging lots of emails with someone from Fujitsu USA

I've tried to update my site with what I've found out, including what the person from Fujitsu told me.
http://xenomorph.net/misc-and-old-stuff ... rd-drives/

Basically,
- the head parks reduce the chance of drive damage if a shock was to occur
- their studies revealed next to no wear from frequent parks
- even if you hit 600,000 or even over 1,000,000 Load_Cycle_Counts, SMART will NOT nag you or warn of drive failure
- nothing in the drive will cause it to fail after 600,000 Load_Cycle_Count
- the clicking isn't bad, wont kill the drive early, and should just be ignored.

So I after I find a real fix with quietHDD running as a Service, someone from Fujitsu convinced me it didn't need to be fixed in the first place.
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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#138 Post by mpcook » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:00 am

Xenomorph wrote:The hard drive is a 120 Gig Fujitsu. One of the few on the T43's compatibility list.

I've actually gone on quite a ride...

- The clicking (which a LOT of drives suffer from).
- Googling the clicking.
- Finding out the clicking is a head parking thing.
FYI on the Fujitsu 120GB, I have one in one of my T43's. It went bad under warranty and the replacement (refurbished I guess) makes a much louder click (more of a "pop") than the bad drive. NHC was not able to fix this. Called and talked to tech support at Fujitsu and they told me most likely bad drive, they are sending another. Hopefully it will be more quiet. So if your drive is under warranty, consider a replacement as an option.

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#139 Post by zhenya » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:13 am

NHC 2.0.7.3 Beta now reports that 'This beta version has expired. Please use a newer version of NHC.' As far as I can tell there is not a newer release compatible with Vista SP2. Am I missing something? I need my under-volt control back!

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#140 Post by mpcook » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:26 am

zhenya wrote:NHC 2.0.7.3 Beta now reports that 'This beta version has expired. Please use a newer version of NHC.' As far as I can tell there is not a newer release compatible with Vista SP2. Am I missing something? I need my under-volt control back!
Mine still works, it says Version 2.0 Pre-Release-06, 04 May 2007. See if you have that version, and it should still work. This is the version on the website http://www.pbus-167.com/. At least, I hope mine keeps going!

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#141 Post by zhenya » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:28 am

IIRC, that version is not compatible with Vista SP1 and above - hence my move to 2.0.7.3, which is extremely feature limited (but includes under-volt control, which is all I care about).

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#142 Post by mpcook » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:58 am

zhenya wrote:IIRC, that version is not compatible with Vista SP1 and above - hence my move to 2.0.7.3, which is extremely feature limited (but includes under-volt control, which is all I care about).
OK that explains it. It's now been quite a while since a new version of NHC. We can only hope that a new version comes out compatible with the newer versions of Windows.

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#143 Post by Spawn123456 » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:47 am

@thenya
just redownload the beta 2.0.7.3, it has been updated to work until 8/2010

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#144 Post by zhenya » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:55 am

Thank you! Done and working.

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#145 Post by aceo07 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:25 pm

What is the current state of NHC for Windows 7?

I went to the website but I don't see 2.0.7.3 to download.

I upgraded to Win7 a months ago and I won't be going back to Vista. It seem like the few choices for undervolting are NHC and RMClock. Unfortunately NHC doesn't work under Vista/7. I hope NHC gets back into shape. I really liked it on my older laptops.
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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#146 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:13 pm

aceo07 wrote:
Unfortunately NHC doesn't work under Vista/7.
Hmmmmmmmmmm...I have it up and running in W7 RC1 on Panasonic in my signature...
...Knowledge is a deadly friend when no one sets the rules...(King Crimson)

Cheers,

George (your grouchy retired FlexView farmer)

One FlexView to rule them all: A31p

Abused daily: T520, X200s


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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#147 Post by Ralf Hutter » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:17 pm

For what it's worth, NHC 2.0 Pre-Release 06 (Professional Edition) is working fine on my various T42's and T42P's running Win 7 Ultimate. It successfully controls the CPU speed, and all other features, including ATI Clock Control. "ATI Powerplay" is grayed out, I assume because I am using the MS graphics drivers included with the OS, instead of an ATI package.

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#148 Post by ZENPLA » Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:39 pm

Hi,
as it's my first post ,i send many thanks to all the forum members ,as this place is really a great help to TP users ,and usually in a quiet way..!!
And many greatings for fantastic work by both Shimodax TPFC and NHC to provide us such marvelous features..!!!!!!!http://forum.thinkpads.com/posting.php? ... 27&t=28482#

They make us more quiet along with the laptop..!!

I want now to report complete success of NHC on my beloved R50p...
I think one of the main improvements to prevent heat is the ability to run ATI powerplay even in the AC mode ,regarding to the very hot FireGl T2 in R50p...
And more fantastic with 2 different settings(Battery optimized or Balanced)(yes i know they are 3 but with "performance" you loose Powerplay)..!!
This way with the "battery optimized" setting ,GPU run in the 50/52°C range when web browsing instead of 54/57 before.....
Previously i even run in the 58/60 but i applied new AS5 on GPU heat spreader,i really strongly advice R50p owners to begin with this step..!!



I note this fashion (Powerplay Online,)works for me only after enabling ACPI control,using the Shimodax file and following the process explained in "Enable fine-grained fan control with NHC on Thinkpads "(page 4 of this thread)....

Next step will be Undervolting when i get time to do(i'll send you a report for voltage who works for my PM735 very cool CPU..)


I run the personnal edition,as my idea was instead to pay for full prof edition(which i don't need..) to support NHC work i prefer to make donation of each half to both Shimodax (just done ,thanks for all your work..!!) and NHC ....
The only problem i don't see the way to make Paypal donation to NHC(i don't use Amazon),sure you'll help me..!!!

Up to now i used the great TPFC,and i keep it to use alternatively with NHC (never at the same time to prevent conflict)...

Just a question about NHC,it seems that he loads automaticaly at startup ,even if i previouly quit the program before shuting down the computer,even if i get ACPI and ATI Powerplay disabled in the settings...SORRY,FIXED:i have to Disable Windows autostart in advanced settings..!!

And finaly i apologize for my somewhat approximative English language ...!!!!!
Best regards from France

Eric
Eric
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R52 1860 CTO , Ram 2G,CPU Upgraded from Celeron 1,4 Ghz to Pentium M 735 Dothan 1,7 Ghz

R50P 1832 2AG ,Ram 2G,Pentium M Banias 1,6 Ghz ,waiting for CPU Upgrade to Pentium M745 Dothan.....

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Re: NHC 2 is out!

#149 Post by kf_tam » Sun May 01, 2011 3:17 am

Hi,
I have got NHC v.2.4.3 working with the Core2duo in my X61 in WinXP. It fully supports dynamic speed scaling and undervoltaging on the C2D (but not lower than 0.95V :x ), and has extended fan control and temperature readout as in TPFC, Thinklight can be turn on/off by mouse, too.

I had to tweak the ACPI control script file written by Carl Brunner.

First, the model name in lenovo.xml has to be preceded by an underscore. For example, for my X61 7673-CV5, the proper model name is _7675CV5 when using the files with NHC 2.4.3. OTOH, when the same files is used for NHC 2.0_pr_06, the model should be 7675CV5.

Second, in the lenovo.cs, just after the remark by Carl, there are three lines that begin with #undef. They must be deleted or remarked out. Otherwise the file cannot be compiled to make the lenovo.dll required by ACPI control.

After this tweak, the program works fine. But somehow the undervoltage setting and underclocking to SUPERLFM multiplier cannot be saved. If you has purchased the program, all setting is saved to setting.xml. I found that the undervoltage/underclocking settings are saved correctly, and the background service (nhcservice.exe) does set the voltage/multiplier correctly (verified by CPU-Z). But everytime the front end program (nhc.exe) is loaded it resets the undervoltage/multiplier back to default. I tried to write-protect setting.xml, but then nhcservice.exe keeps complaining it can't modify the file.

So I think the program still needs time to be fine-tuned on the C2D, when the 2.0_pr_06 version of the program works wonders on older platforms.

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#150 Post by Mike Blake » Mon May 02, 2011 2:00 am

ambientscape wrote:This software is awesome!!!
Do I still need IBM BATTERY MAXIMIZER thingy after I've installed this one?.
I must admit the main reason I keep running it is for that large taskbar icon with the percentage in large, easy to read numbers.
--Mike Blake T430s - L540 - T450s

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