60GB SSD 41W0736 WTF?

[sjthinkpader]

....fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify

a result of 0 indicates that TRIM is enabled. ..

TRIM is turned on by default. But it doesn't mean the drive support it. Even intel SATA drives requires firmware update to support it.

[loyukfai]

So does it really support TRIM, or if there's any way to tell whether a SSD supports it or not?

P.S. After consideration, I finally decided to purchase this Lenovo SSD off eBay.

[sjthinkpader]

Not quite sure how to check. I have about 5 SSDs in various machines and none had enough use or reported slowness yet.

[bananaman]

I read recently that the fsutil command does not tell you whether a drive supports TRIM, but that it merely tells you that Windows is sending the TRIM command to the SSD. The article in which I originally found the command seems to be in error. It appears that the best way to determine TRIM support is to check the vendor specs, or run benchmarks. Since only the very latest drives claim TRIM support, I suspect that this now fairly old 41W0736/41W0737, which is actually a repackaged Samsung MCCOE64GEMPP, does not. This means the other methods have to be used to prevent performance degradation over time.

I have to say that using my X41, I haven't noticed any degradation, but the SSD is still only about one third full.

[systema]

I have one coming in the mail Will do some benchmarks when I have it installed!

[systema]

Also, I'm not quite sure why some members have to clone/ghost an image to install an OS. Is that specifically for KingSpec SSDs (and other 2010 error HDDs)? Am I correct in assuming that I will be able to fresh install from boot usb drive (win7 OS) directly onto the Lenovo 41W0736 just like the original 40gb HDD?

TIA

[sjthinkpader]

Sure, you can do that. Cloning just takes shorter time as the old drive likely has all the correct drivers and utilities. Even after doing fresh installs numerous times, I still have to go thru trial and error on some drivers.

[systema]

Sure, you can do that.

Great ☺ I'm anxious to see how much improvement I will have using Lightroom v2.4!

[juan_tastic]

What's the liklihood of Lenovo droping their ridiculous $1,331 price for this drive to affordable levels?

[systema]

Received and installed today. Plug and play

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CrystalDiskMark 2.2 (C) 2007-2008 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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Sequential Read : 40.854 MB/s
Sequential Write : 28.815 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 40.801 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 19.847 MB/s
Random Read 4KB : 14.728 MB/s
Random Write 4KB : 1.701 MB/s

Test Size : 100 MB
Date : 2009/12/14 19:50:19

edit: adding screenies to confirm

[sjthinkpader]

Can you confirm this is the 60GB Lenovo SSD and what UDMA mode is it running in?

[bgx]

seems to be in line with my figures:

crystal mark does not report the correct figure for write@4K, iometer is a better tool, and revels that the write is worse than even a 4200tpm HDD, which is confirmed by how slow hibernte is with this SSD:

I posted that in my SSD thread too.

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LENOVO SSD 60GB

Iometer:
4K 100% read 100% random,
2500 I/O per s
10 MB/s

4K 100% write 100% random
32 I/O per s
0.14 MB/s


power consumption of the whole computer:
Idle:
bare minimum (downvolted CPU, lowest luminosity, no pagefile on HDD, no internet, wifi off). HDD vs disk under test: 6.7W - 6.4W. Minimum reported.

better power consumption by 5% overall

Max consuption:
same with IOmeters random write running:
HDD vs disk under test: 8.3W - 8.3W

W@write - W@idle: 1.9W.

crystal mark:
C:, 50 Mo
Crystal max / 5
41/21
41/12.1
14/1.5

[systema]

Added screenshot of device manager to confirm the SSD. Forgive my ignorance, where can I find the UDMA mode?

[sjthinkpader]

It is in the Device Manager, IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers, Primary IDE Channel, Advanced Settings.

[systema]

Thanks, found it:

[sjthinkpader]

Interesting, some SSD would run at UDMA-5.

[loyukfai]

Just finished installing a fresh copy of Windows 7 on this SSD on an X41T. The system does feel a bit more snappy, but is otherwise more or less the same.

Windows 7 seemed to be able to automatically detected the SSD as the drive is not listed under the scheduled defragmentation.



Cheers.

[systema]

Will there be any method to run as DMA-5 drive? Firmware update possibly??

loyukfai, I have the same impression too - speedwise it feels a bit snappier when some programs or large file transfer. Mostly, the benefits are low heat and noise.

Happy Holidays, all.

[loyukfai]

UDMA5? Does it really matter...?

FWIW, here are the ATTO and CrystalDiskMark benchmarks...

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CrystalDiskMark 2.2 (C) 2007-2008 hiyohiyo
      Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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   Sequential Read :   40.501 MB/s
  Sequential Write :   26.313 MB/s
 Random Read 512KB :   40.761 MB/s
Random Write 512KB :   19.412 MB/s
   Random Read 4KB :   14.627 MB/s
  Random Write 4KB :    1.664 MB/s

         Test Size : 100 MB
              Date : 2009/12/30 21:39:37

[belu]

Hello,

I am looking for :

- a 2.5 caddy with adapter, to put this drive in a X31
- a USB interface (with 3.3 V if I understand well)

[loyukfai]

Why would you want to use a caddy to use this on an X31...? I think there are cheaper 2.5" PATA SSD out there...?

Cheers.

[belu]

Why would you want to use a caddy to use this on an X31...? I think there are cheaper 2.5" PATA SSD out there...?

Cheers.

I have already tested : cloning a Win 7 install on the 41W736 onto the X31 classic 2.5 IDE drive works like a charm (same HDD controlers I guess).

So I will be able to use my old X31 as backup machine, if my new X41t becomes unavailable for some time for any reason (hardware failure, the time to replace it).

I also want a USB adpater for the standard X41t drive (not necessarily the SSD version, because I use cloning as backup means (so if my SSD drive in the X41t fails, I can just plug in the clone and suffer minimal disturbance.

Thank you for any advice on

a) 2.5 caddy accepting the X41t drives
b) USB adapter for X41t drives.
(so actually none of my questions are actualy specific to the SSD version of the X41t drive
I have tried to google all this, but it seems too specific a question(s) to find.

[loyukfai]

I'm not aware of the type of caddy you want, but 41W0736 is essentially a ZIF SSD with a PATA caddy specially designed for the X41T. So you may dismantle it and use those 1.8" ZIF to 2.5" PATA kits out there.

Actually, I wonder if 41W0736 can fit into a 2.5" bay natively...? The issue of voltage could be an issue through. I'm not sure if 41W0736 can operate under 5V, which 2.5" bays usually provide. I suppose those kits have the voltage stepped down...?

And there are plenty of USB enclosure for 1.8" drives on eBay.

Cheers.

[nando4]

There's been some budget newcomers by Renice and MX-Technology on the 1.8" ZIF SSD scene making it affordable to get a ZIF SSD. See a summary at 1.8" ZIF PATA SSDs available

[loyukfai]

Just gave a quick glance. Good information. But at those prices, why wouldn't one get the 41W0736 instead...? It's (just) $165 on EBay.

I could imagine other models utilizing those, but for an X40 or X41...?

Cheers.

[belu]

First, thank you nando4 for your reply >1.5 years ago

I am writing to sadly report the failure of the drive. I had already noticed that sometimes pressing the power button (configured for sleep) had some latency time, and if I closed the lid before the sleep process was actually started and stowed the laptop in my bag, I would find it running and hot, and frozen (Windows 7 therefore apparently not detecting being on battery and not going to sleep as per defined power scheme)

Recently I went through the scenario above with the difference of a more closed bag, my vest on the bag, and during a hot day. On reboot no OS was detected. I booted from an EASEUS Diskcopy CD: the disk shows but only with a ~7 GB capacity (unused, no partition).

I read that heat can produce a controller failure. Is that a corruption of the firmware (so firmware update could restore the drive ?). I opened the caddy and got the Samsung model reference : MCCOE64GEMPP-M1A(can't read further because of some insulating material glued to the chip). Actually, EASEUS shows a different model: MCA0E64GEMPP PM)

Any ideas on how access data/restore the drive? Any diagnostic tools I can run from my Win 7 Recovery thumb drive command line? The model is no longer referenced on Samsung's website (although it appears to have been manufactured in 2009, and current SSDs appear to have 3 years warranty I see).

Thanks (and beware of stowing your laptop before you make sure it went to sleep !!!).

[belu]

Thanks to sjthinkpader for helping me in private determine the pin 1 position on a ZIF IDE connector (there is no indication on the 40 pin connector on the caddy).

Unfortunately, despite the main chip of my USB-to-IDE bridge (GL811E) mentioning nothing but 3.3 V in some technical reference doc found online, there was aparently another "power support" for 5 V. Now the SSD doesnt register in BIOS anymore

Now I'm wondering:

a) is there hardware damage to the SSD controler (if not, reflashing the controler would make the drive usable again)
b) did this over-voltage affect the NAND states (the data)

[AGoodSolution]

Thanks to sjthinkpader for helping me in private determine the pin 1 position on a ZIF IDE connector (there is no indication on the 40 pin connector on the caddy).

Unfortunately, despite the main chip of my USB-to-IDE bridge (GL811E) mentioning nothing but 3.3 V in some technical reference doc found online, there was aparently another "power support" for 5 V. Now the SSD doesnt register in BIOS anymore

Now I'm wondering:

a) is there hardware damage to the SSD controler (if not, reflashing the controler would make the drive usable again)
b) did this over-voltage affect the NAND states (the data)

I'm not sure if I'm reading your experiences properly, but am I correct when surmising you inadvertently inserted the ZiF connector backwards? And did so with a 3.3 v SSD into a 5V channel?

If you just inverted the connection of 3.3v drive into 3.3v channel, the drive might survive and I make that statement anecdotally after responding to unskilled user who inverted an mTron Mobi upside down and kept rebooting an x41t in frustration wondering why his expensive disk wasn't being "accepted by the cwompwutuur".
that drive lives today after 3 years and its 1st day of abuse.
I mention the mTron specifically because they're notorious for voltage intolerance and reliability issues, reliability issues related to voltage.
But if you're saying you inverted it and inverted the connection into 5Volts.... that's not good.
I'm not the kind of guy who relishes giving bad news, and you've been wisely counseled and benefitted immensely whenever SJThink pulls over to assist.
If that drive is dead and reading dead while connected in the same manner that used to work....plan and poise an environment that is ready to quickly connect and offload data from it if you can get it working again.
Typically SSD's crash and burn when they fail but if it can be revived, don't take it for granted and best to rescue as much data from it as possible and make it your only priority while it is plugged in.

did you happen to buy that caddy from a Chinese dealer in HongKong ?
Because I purchased one after searching in vain for the official Lenovo issue.
the aftermarket caddy had no documentation on PiN1 and the dealer was clueless while I berated him about it.
We finally figured out how a Samsung should connect and based on its PiN1, finally determined where his PiN1 was since his listing pics showed drives inserted both right side up and upside down.
Ran like a mad man and had to send him modified pics so he could answer the question whenever it arose and avoid making new enemies around the world the way he was until I fixed their listings for them.

Lucking Fenovo !