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Will there ever be a new IBM OS
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K42?
There is also a project called K42.
http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/res ... index.html
"The K42 group is developing a new high performance, open source, general-purpose research operating system kernel for cache-coherent multiprocessors. We are targeting next generation servers ranging from small-scale multiprocessors that we expect will become ubiquitous, to very large-scale non-symmetric multiprocessors that are becoming increasingly important in both commercial and technical environments. By designing the system from the start for multiprocessors, we achieve a high degree of spatial and temporal locality in code and data. This locality results in substantial performance advantages, even on small-scale servers. To support large servers, K42 is designed to scale to hundreds of processors and to address the reliability, fault-containment, and fault-tolerance requirements of large commercial applications. K42 employs building-block technology to allow applications to customize and thus optimize the OS services they require. This is particularly important for applications, such as databases and web servers, where given the ability to control physical resources, they can improve performance. K42 is portable; it currently runs on PowerPC systems (both native and using Mambo). K42's design allows implementors on a particular architecture to choose what objects of the system should be customized for that architecture, and as a result allows the implementors to exploit any architecture specific features to improve performance. K42 supports the Linux API and ABI. The K42 group has been actively involved with the Research Hypervisor"
http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/res ... index.html
"The K42 group is developing a new high performance, open source, general-purpose research operating system kernel for cache-coherent multiprocessors. We are targeting next generation servers ranging from small-scale multiprocessors that we expect will become ubiquitous, to very large-scale non-symmetric multiprocessors that are becoming increasingly important in both commercial and technical environments. By designing the system from the start for multiprocessors, we achieve a high degree of spatial and temporal locality in code and data. This locality results in substantial performance advantages, even on small-scale servers. To support large servers, K42 is designed to scale to hundreds of processors and to address the reliability, fault-containment, and fault-tolerance requirements of large commercial applications. K42 employs building-block technology to allow applications to customize and thus optimize the OS services they require. This is particularly important for applications, such as databases and web servers, where given the ability to control physical resources, they can improve performance. K42 is portable; it currently runs on PowerPC systems (both native and using Mambo). K42's design allows implementors on a particular architecture to choose what objects of the system should be customized for that architecture, and as a result allows the implementors to exploit any architecture specific features to improve performance. K42 supports the Linux API and ABI. The K42 group has been actively involved with the Research Hypervisor"
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indirectly, yes
Indirectly, there is. It is called eComStation. It is an updated version of IBM"s OS/2 Warp. http://www.ecomstation.com They are working on a version 2.0. I look forward to using it.
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
look at this http://tracker.os4.sui-SnipeZ wrote:If not then oh well but i can wish.
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
As you can see the answer is yes, but none of them are going to be mainstream like Windows or even Mac OS.i-SnipeZ wrote:If not then oh well but i can wish.
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
There is OSFree. http://www.osfree.org There is also Voyager. http://voyager.netlabs.org They are both being developed but progress is slow.
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
> but none of them are going to be mainstream
That's good.
> like Windows
This program has performed an illegal operation and the <censored> <blankety blank> <nasty, aren't I?> programmer should be arrested.
> or even Mac OS
Discontinued along with the Power PC. Now all Apple sells are Macintosh brand PC's.
What is the world coming to?
That's good.
> like Windows
This program has performed an illegal operation and the <censored> <blankety blank> <nasty, aren't I?> programmer should be arrested.
> or even Mac OS
Discontinued along with the Power PC. Now all Apple sells are Macintosh brand PC's.
What is the world coming to?
Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
Eh?Discontinued along with the Power PC. Now all Apple sells are Macintosh brand PC's.
Mac OS X is still alive and well. I take it you were referring to the 'classic' Mac OS? Well... yeah, that's gone... but it's not exactly a great loss...
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
I was referring to Macintosh computers, which are based on the 68000/PPC processors, not intel. Macs were discontinued a few years ago. Now all Apple sells are PCs running an alternative OS named after Mac OS but obviously not compatible with it. I've heard that it is actually a unix with a Mac style GUI.
Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
IBM did OS/2 back when they had a huge PC manufacturing business, they sold that off so I don't see the point of wasting time and money doing an OS. eComstation is OS/2 that was sold off.
Does IBM have their own UNIX anymore (AIX) or are they just using Linux?
Does IBM have their own UNIX anymore (AIX) or are they just using Linux?
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
Bookworm,
Before maligning a multi-billion dollar corporation I would do some research into what they actually sell and what direction they are actually headed in. PowerPC may have reached the end of the line, Apple has not.
Before maligning a multi-billion dollar corporation I would do some research into what they actually sell and what direction they are actually headed in. PowerPC may have reached the end of the line, Apple has not.
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
I never said anything negative about Apple's PCs. I heard they're pretty good. My point is that they are PCs, not Macs, running a unix that looks like Mac OS. If you still insist that Apple's Macintosh brand PC are Macs, please explain why it's so easy to put Windows on them (horrifying true Mac users) and Mac OS X on a ThinkPad.
How do the latest Powerbooks compare to the latest ThinkPads?
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
Yes, Mac OS core is based on BSD, a unix-like OS, but that is just one part of the whole OS and a lot of the code in the core was actually written by Apple. The fact that it has a POSIX interface does not make it a Linux. And as for the hardware, would you put Windows and Linux guys in the same bag just because they run their OS on the same hardware? Using custom chips doesn't make much sense economically so Apple uses what's available. And they are still putting it all together so tying the OS to the hardware is their right. What matters for most customers is the final product. They don't care if there is Intel or PowerPC in it as long as it works like they want.Bookworm wrote:I never said anything negative about Apple's PCs. I heard they're pretty good. My point is that they are PCs, not Macs, running a unix that looks like Mac OS. If you still insist that Apple's Macintosh brand PC are Macs, please explain why it's so easy to put Windows on them (horrifying true Mac users) and Mac OS X on a ThinkPad.
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
Well, to be fair, a good chunk of Darwin is taken directly from FreeBSD (most of the userland tools), and a good chunk of xnu was written by what was (at the time) NeXT. That said, most of the mid-level stuff -- the APIs such as Core(Data|Image|Audio|Video|Animation), a good chunk of Cocoa, etc. -- was indeed written by Apple.yak wrote: Yes, Mac OS core is based on BSD, a unix-like OS, but that is just one part of the whole OS and a lot of the code in the core was actually written by Apple. The fact that it has a POSIX interface does not make it a Linux. And as for the hardware, would you put Windows and Linux guys in the same bag just because they run their OS on the same hardware?
Still, it's not as though Apple wrote the entire OS. There *is* a very large amount of open source code that they didn't write. (Examples: CUPS, Apache, the BSD userland, SQLite, OpenSSH, X11, gcc, PHP, and many more.)
Well... it's their "right" to introduce that sort of artificial restriction, sure... but I'm not so sure it's their "right" to try to punish people who wish to circumvent said restriction. That's a debate for another time though...And they are still putting it all together so tying the OS to the hardware is their right. What matters for most customers is the final product. They don't care if there is Intel or PowerPC in it as long as it works like they want.
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS- Yes in eCS 2.0
In a way, yes. It is 2.0 of eComStation that was just released to GA just recently.
http://www.ecomstation.com
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
Sorry for necromancy:
AIX 7 was released Sept 2010. (Part of my job is admin for a bunch of old AIX systems.)Unknown_K wrote: Does IBM have their own UNIX anymore (AIX) or are they just using Linux?
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
IBM's also got i as well, and they're definitely still maintaining that.
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
A lot.granular wrote:How many OS does this world need?
There are very, very few "one size fits all" solutions in computing.
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Re: Will there ever be a new IBM OS
The more the better, variety is the spice of life.
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