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Lenovo reported to be adding AMD processors to ThinkPad Edge 14, 15 and new IdeaPad U165

Monday, May 17th, 2010

Last week saw the launch of a host of new consumer PCs from Lenovo, several with new AMD mobile processors. Now reports are circling the web that the ThinkPad manufacturer will be adding AMD chips to even more notebooks.

Several sources have published that the ThinkPad Edge 14 and 15 will get AMD chips sometime in June. It looks like the same Athlon II, Turion II and Phenom II processors found in last week’s new IdeaPads will make their way into the larger Edge models. These will complement the Edge 13, which has single and dual core Neo LV processors. Pricing is reported to start at $549, which is a steal for a quality 14 or 15-inch notebook.

Netbooked.net is also reporting that the refreshed IdeaPad U160 will get an AMD sibling in the IdeaPad U165. No further details are available, but the U165 would likely get one of the Athlon II Neo single or dual core ULV chips that AMD announced last week.

The jury is still out for me on how AMD’s chips will compare to Intel’s rock solid mobile platform, but competition is a good thing, as are lower prices. The Edge 14/15 with Intel processors starts at $649, compared to the AMD version reported to run $549.

Sources: [Electronista], [Engadget], [Netbooked.net]

AMD spills some more beans on their new mobile processors

Wednesday, May 12th, 2010

Yesterday Lenovo announced a slew of new laptops and desktops, some of which use the new family of mobile processors from AMD. Today AMD has shared some more details around those processors, including some rather impressive specs.

You can view the full marketing slides over at Engadget, but right off the bat I noticed that they have 25W versions of every processors from the entry-level V Series to the Phenom II Quad Core. A 25W 1.6GHz quad-core is pretty impressive, although the N620 2.8GHz 35W dual core is probably the best combination of performance and power usage for most users.

On the “ultrathin” side of things, aka CULV, AMD is sporting some competitive numbers, if not outright impressive. The single-core V105 runs at 1.2GHz and sports a 9W TDP. I can’t help but expect this chip’s performance to be comparable with Atom, but have twice the (max) power consumption.

For the higher end CULV notebooks, you can get several dual-core chips rated at 15W and up to 1.7GHz. That’s not too shabby at all.

While these specs are certainly enticing, real world battery life tests will show how these chips do with “part-throttle” power consumption. The other factor will be cost; while the laptops with the prior generation AMD processors sold for a nice discount below their Intel counterparts, I would expect pricing of the new chips to step up a bit.

Source: [Engadget]

AMD processors to be found in 109 laptops by summer

Monday, May 10th, 2010

It’s no secret that AMD has been taking a beating from Intel for the past several years, but a new report shows promise for AMD on the mobile side. Anonymous sources within AMD have been quoted as saying that AMD processors will be found in 109 different laptops in time for the important “back to school” season.

This news comes shortly after several reports of new mobile processors waiting in the wings from AMD. Xbit Labs has details on mobile versions of AMD’s newest Phenom II processors, albeit published back in December 09, to be available in dual, triple and quad core versions. There will also be revised Athlon II and Turion II chips, as well as a lower-end single-core “V-Series” chip. These models will range from 25-45W TDP, with dual-core clock speeds reaching 3.1GHz and quad cores getting up to 2.3GHz.

Fudzilla brought the spotlight back on these yet-unseen chips via product listings from Dell and Acer. Not only did these listings unofficially confirm the existence of the new mobile chips, but the prices for the quad-core systems indicate a significant price undercut against Intel’s quad-core chips.

Netbooked.net has a guest blog post talking about a new mobile processor platform from AMD, intended to compete with the likes of Intel’s Atom. The “Bobcat” processor core is reported to be designed for 1-10 watt power envelopes, with the wide range allowing for a variety of implementations. The low-end versions would be for embedded systems like smartphones, while the higher power models could power your next netbook.

This new platform is also designed to allow for the use of multiple Bobcat cores, which could be combined with a GPU core into the Ontario system-on-a-chip. Much like the new Intel chip designs, the CPU and GPU cores would be combined on the same chip for power and design complexity reduction.

Doctor, we have a pulse!

It is good to see signs of life from AMD. Intel really took the lead with Core Duo and while AMD’s desktop & server products have been competitive, their mobile product line has been practically flatline for years.

While the TDP ratings for these new mobile Phenoms look good, TDP only tells part of the story. They will need to optimize their idle power consumption and maximize the system’s ability to drop out of high power states, to save every milliwatt possible when part of the system isn’t being used.

Sources: [Reuters], [Xbit Labs], [Fuzilla], [Netbooked.net]

Lenovo dropped AMD based PCs due to Intel deal in 2006

Tuesday, September 22nd, 2009

AMD vs Intel

The European Commission has recently made public e-mail exchanges between Intel and various computer manufacturers that highlight anti-competitive deals Intel made to keep AMD processor products out of PCs over the past few years.

In particular, a Lenovo executive is quoted as writing in an internal e-mail in December of 2006:

Late last week Lenovo cut a lucrative deal with Intel. As a result of this, we will not be introducing AMD-based products in 2007 for our Notebook products.

Of course Lenovo wasn’t the only group influenced here, but of the other major PC manufacturers Lenovo is the only one to never offer AMD mobile processors (they did at one time offer a couple AMD desktop processors in some bottom-barrel systems).

Even HP, who has long been the relative champion of AMD mobile technology in several of its products, was found succumbing to the financial incentives offered by Chipzilla:

In an e-mail written in July 2002 during the negotiation of the rebate agreement between HP and Intel, an HP executive wrote: “PLEASE DO NOT… communicate to the regions, your team members or AMD that we are constrained to 5 percent AMD by pursuing the Intel agreement.”

Opinion
I encourage you to read the full article and others about the European Union’s anti-trust actions against Intel. And Intel’s actions certainly cross the anti-competitive line. We won’t debate economics here, but let me say this:

AMD’s mobile products haven’t been competitive in performance or power consumption in a while. And let’s not forget their nearly complete lack of marketing. They are severely disadvantaged in size and thus capitol compared to Intel, explaining a number of their deficits, but competitive products are needed to be competitive.

Source: [PCWorld]

Tested: Intel is faster with longer battery life than AMD

Thursday, August 6th, 2009
Gateway NV52 and NV58 notebooks - from Anandtech.com

Gateway NV52 and NV58 notebooks - from Anandtech.com

The folks over at Anandtech took two identical notebooks, save for the opposing Intel and AMD CPU’s, and gave their batteries a pounding. Guess who won?

Win might be a little misleading. Among several different battery tests, covering the spread from idle to DVD playback, runtime on the Intel system surpassed the AMD version by 20-35%. Keep in mind these notebooks are identical save for the CPU and chipset, being Gateway models NV58 (Intel) and NV52 (AMD). While this article didn’t test performance, it has been well established that the Core 2 Duo lineup is leaps and bounds faster than any mobile chip from AMD.

While the Turion 64 X2 should be a bit less power hungry than the Athlon 64 X2 tested here, performance will drop even more and it still won’t make up the 28% average difference in runtime. As I said on my soapbox last week, AMD doesn’t need a netbook CPU. It needs a mobile CPU to compete in the notebook space in the first place. While in this instance the AMD-based Gateway notebook is $80 cheaper, that alone isn’t enough to keep them in the game. It doesn’t help that several PC manufacturers don’t even offer AMD-based notebooks.

Source: [Anandtech]

Gateway-AMD netbook tested, compared to Intel Atom

Monday, August 3rd, 2009

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Gateway’s LT3103u is essentially an AMD-based netbook, or the closest thing to it, and has just been reviewed & compared to the new Acer Aspire One 751h.

Last week I was on my soapbox talking about how AMD didn’t need netbooks and while some were criticizing them of not even being in the netbook market, I pointed out Gateway’s use of an AMD chip in their 11.6-inch machine priced around $400 – ala netbook. The folks at TechReport have gotten their hands on Gateway’s makeshift notebook and compared it to its very close cousin, the Acer Aspire One 751h. Both are 11.6-inch machines and since they share the same family tree, the chassis and overall design are very similar.

What follows at the link below is a very detailed review with some very telling test results. I won’t spoil it all, but let’s just say that neither system is terribly sufficient for anything remotely strenuous. If you like high resolution video, even YouTube HD or Hulu HD, you’re out of luck. The AMD chip, which is actually a single core Athlon 64 X2 of yore, has a bit more horsepower, but gives up a couple hours of battery life for it. Hit the link for all the juicy details

Source: [The Tech Report]

New AMD integrated graphics to spank competitors

Friday, July 31st, 2009

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Intel may lead the integrated graphics space in sheer volume, but NVIDIA and AMD (courtesy their acquisition of ATI Technologies) lead in features and performance. AMD is looking to step their game up and release a new graphics chipset that will have a sizeable lead over even NVIDIA’s offerings.

If you have a netbook or opted for the longer battery life option on your notebook, chances are you have a set of Intel integrated graphics. While these are great for minimizing power consumption and offer simple, effective dual display control (compared to AMD/ATI’s puzzling interface), they are very lacking in features and performance. HD video? Not so much. Gaming? Dream on.

NVIDIA’s Ion platform threatens to bring suitable HD playback to netbooks and at the heart of it is the GeForce 9400M GPU, which has a home in a number of other notebooks as an Intel integrated graphics substitute. AMD is getting ready to fire back with the Radeon HD 4200, codenamed RS880. It’s looking like the 4200 will bring a hefty 15% performance increase over competitors, which would include the well respected 9400M.

The big question on my mind is if it can handle HD and speed things up without killing too much battery life. Either way it doesn’t do much for me without Flash acceleration, which the Broadcom HD Accelerator should have later this year.

Source: [TheInq]

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AMD calls for new battery life standards

Monday, March 16th, 2009

ThinkPad batteriesAMD’s chief marketing office, Nigel Dessau, wrote on his blog recently about laptop battery life standards. He notes that in other industries, a product’s “time of usability” is generally noted by more than one figure: with cars you have city and highway Miles per Gallon, with cell phones you have Standby and Talk Time run-times, and so on.

Nigel is calling for a similar “Idle” and “Heavy Usage” metric for laptops, to better educate consumers as to what they are buying into. He even goes as far as to run tests on various Intel and AMD based systems using his proposed benchmarking suite, to highlight the differences.

While Nigel’s post doesn’t specifically call-out Intel, he does include test results for Intel systems and shows the drastic difference in battery life between the different test methodologies. A Wall Street Journal blogger covering Dessau’s post contacted Intel for their feedback:

Intel doesn’t seem too inclined to converse about the topic in this fashion. “There are many ways to measure battery life,” a spokeswoman for the company says in an email. “We believe the best way to determine how to measure battery life is by making proposals and debating it in industry consortiums and not via blog post.”

Ouch. Apparently Intel doesn’t really care about the post, perhaps because they haven’t seen competition from AMD in quite some time. Hit the links below for more details & the actual test results between AMD’s proposed benchmarks.

How do you consumers view battery runtime figures? Are they a big factor in your purchasing decisions? Are they detailed enough for you?

AMD blog post

WSJ blog post